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SOT · Aug 25, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by Nikita Firestorm

Why do you think the more expensive armour than 1.5k Droknar's Forge doesn't give any bonusses?

Because it's NOT meant to be a grind game.

Anet just added the more expensive armours for the idiots who like solo farming expensiver items so they can brag about it to their so called friends.

15k, not 1.5k

Sanji · Aug 25, 2005, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by SOT

15k, not 1.5k

Droknar's Armor is 1.5k, he was using it as a point of reference for the armor more expensive than it.

Sayshina · Aug 25, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Want a grind free experience? Look no further than ANY AND ALL rts or fps games.

The part you're missing is that THIS WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE just another mmo or rpg.

This was sold to us as something special. We were told BY THE DEV'S that it would be grind free. We didn't just pull that out of thin air. When we complain about grind in a PvP centered game (again look at other PvP centered games like shooters and rts's) it's BECAUSE we were promised many many times that this one would be different. This one was going to be "skill over time".

Elistan Theocrat · Aug 25, 2005, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Sayshina

Want a grind free experience? Look no further than ANY AND ALL rts or fps games.

The part you're missing is that THIS WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE just another mmo or rpg.

This was sold to us as something special. We were told BY THE DEV'S that it would be grind free. We didn't just pull that out of thin air. When we complain about grind in a PvP centered game (again look at other PvP centered games like shooters and rts's) it's BECAUSE we were promised many many times that this one would be different. This one was going to be "skill over time".

/cry

Look at what type of game it is. Not what you expected it to be, but what it actually is. Its not a FPS, and its not an RTS. I'm so tired of this crying about supposed grind in this game. If you think this is grind then you have no idea what grind actually is. Besides this skill over time played moaning is so old and its not even valid. Its not hard to get all skills unlocked for a character. You take that character to pvp, and guess what, if you've got that character with all his skills unlocked, you can use the pvp only version to adjust that character as rapidly as anyone else. Thus, no individual character has a supreme advantage over you. Yes, it does take some, (very very very very little by comparison to other mmo's) time to make a character ready for PVP, but once you've made that character ready, its purely skill over time played. Somone could have been playing for 4 months, and if you take 2 weeks to unlock all a characters skills, take that one character into pvp, and out perform that other guy, and your team wins, guess what, thats skill over time. You want it all on a platter and instant access and FPS sytle, where you can type /kill and have a new character... Sorry you didnt buy a FPS. I hear Quake 4 is gonna be on the xbox360, maybe you should look into that.

That having been said, I'm all for UAS, and then the removal of people like you from the Roleplay game.

Edit, forgot to mention, where were all the people crying for skill over time when I was talking about the state of the introductory arenas....Nowhere. In fact, the most common arguement for the abuse of noob arenas is "I worked hard" to get a character thru the game once already and have earned the right to wear droks and bring elites, and if thats not an argument for time over skill I dunno what is. That says something, I know what I think it says but I'll leave that judgement to everyone for themselves.

Tuon · Aug 25, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01

This ridiculous thread was answered on the very first reply.

Elistan Theocrat · Aug 25, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

I'm astounded. No, not all games have "grinds". In fact, very few do, and MMOs are the biggest culprits. There's no grind to, say, Team Fortress, as a brand new player has access to everything a seasoned competitive player has. Of course, the seasoned player will win in a fight between the two, but that's decided by skill and not arbitrary conditions like weapon unlocks or attributes that must be gained by playing the game for X amount of hours. Your notion that all games involve grind is, quite frankly, insane. And as much as I loathe Final Fantasy, it's a poor example. I've only played a couple, but there's no grind. You're never forced to raise your stats to continue, and even finish the game. I've bever had to "level my characters through random battles so I would be strong enough to continue", as you put it. Of the few Final Fantasies I've played, I never once had to stop playing to go fight the same monster over and over again for items or experience.

For one, As much as the "grindwhiners" out there want this game to be teamfortress, or counterstrike or whatever, its not an FPS. So comparisons to teamfort are not valid in my opinion. I do hope that they give you all what you want so that those of us who find repetitve pvp over and over its own special kind of grind can get you out of what could be the finest roleplay game on the net.

For two, FF is a poor comparison as well because its not massively multiplayer. And before you hop, quick like a bunny to type to me that neither is GW, the fact that you only team with 8 players max at a time does not prevent this game from being massively multiplayer because its set in a massively mutliplayer world. Thinking back to other mmos, there were limits to the size of individual groups in those games as well.

Mumblyfish · Aug 25, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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